Lighter CEO on ‘democratizing finance’ with a zero-fee, ZK perp DEX
Episode 8 of The Big Brain Podcast, hosted by The Block President Larry Cermak and MegaETH CSO Namik Muduroglu, was recorded with Vladimir Novakovski, the founder and CEO of Lighter.Listen below, and subscribe to The Big Brain Podcast on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Please send feedback and revision requests to [email protected] episode 8 of The Big Brain Podcast, Lighter founder Vladimir Novakovski explains why he built a zero-fee, ZK-powered perp DEX as an Ethereum L2, how it stacks up against CEXs and rival perp chains, and what the Lighter team learned from recent market stress ahead of their token launch.OUTLINE 00:00 – Introduction 04:50 – What Lighter is 06:15 – Why Ethereum L2 and ZK 11:03 – Zero-fee retail model 18:11 – Robinhood relationship & RH Chain |20:30 – L1 vs L2 value capture 27:08 – TGE timing and token value 30:29 – DYDX, Hyperliquid and CEX vs DeFi | 35:52 – 10/10 crash and LLP risk 39:50 – Infra upgrades and closing SHOW LINKS: - Apple: https://apple.co/43F3vmq - Spotify: https://spoti.fi/44NT1lZ - Larry: https://x.com/lawmaster - Namik: https://x.com/NamikMuduroglu - The Block Podcasts: https://x.com/TheBlockPods GUEST LINKS Vladimir Novakovski - https://x.com/vnovakovski Lighter - https://x.com/Lighter_xyzThis episode of the Big Brain Podcast is brought to you by our sponsor, Canton Network.The Block Newsletters The Block's newsletters bring you the latest news and analysis of the fast-moving crypto and DeFi markets. To subscribe, visit theblock.co/newsletters Are you hiring in crypto? Use Campus to quickly find your best candidates with our challenging Crypto Assessment Test. Faster hiring, stronger teams.Sign up for a trial today: theblock.co/campusDisclaimer: The Block is an independent media outlet that delivers news, research, and data. As of November 2023, Foresight Ventures is a majority investor of The Block. Foresight Ventures invests in other companies in the crypto space. Crypto exchange Bitget is an anchor LP for Foresight Ventures. The Block continues to operate independently to deliver objective, impactful, and timely information about the crypto industry. Here are our current financial disclosures.© 2025 The Block. All Rights Reserved. This article is provided for informational purposes only. It is not offered or intended to be used as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advice.